Richard
I am most impressed that you devised all these courses in a matter of minutes. Had I been given a matter of seconds to do likewise, then I would have proposed one course – take the ‘best’ (my opinion) of Computing and Information Systems and my course would have been your Computing Science course – relevant, fresh and ample scope for an exciting, dynamic and relevant computing and information science course.
I see relevance in your other courses also. However, in our authority we are considering curricular models whereby Computing and Business Education courses (which I must consider as a faculty head of C and BE) are being shoe-horned into one Technologies column for pupils to pick one. I’m simplifying things here somewhat, but that could leave 6 subjects in a column where one is picked. The dilution in uptake could leave all courses unviable.
I think it is too late to push for your 3 subject model. Not so, though for a single course that computing teachers, never mind further education and employers, see as a suitably relevant, challenging and stimulating experience.
Nice post.
John McGivern
PT Computing and Business Education
Johnstone High School
I think that it was the decision making process for some of the other subjects that was flawed and has lead to other groups of subjects specialists in the choice columns we normally inhabit being able to flood the option sheet, if they’re allowed to, with a range of different courses. This will have the effect of reducing class numbers for Computing and lead to Senior Management Teams being reluctant to replace our retiring staff as we can only offer 2 school specific qualifications instead of the 7 that Technical teachers can offer, 4 that Business Studies teachers can offer or the 4 that Home Economics teachers can offer. I know that we have a range of NPA’s, NC’s and NGA’s that we could offer as well but they just don’t have the same level of understanding or value in a school context that the National Qualifications do.
This wouldn’t be so bad if the Government, Colleges and Universities gave our courses the same highly desirable or necessary status as English, Maths or the Sciences but that hasn’t happened yet and would need a coordinated campaign across a range of different media to explain to everyone why that should be the case.
The CS Matters campaign and the work that Computing At School’s is doing down south is a good start but we’ll need to get the Scottish media on board to start having the same kind of impact north of the border.
Peter
CAS Scotland
There is still an opportunity to produce the additional courses that I feel are needed for Computing.
The proposed course (with my suggested alterations) provides a rather specialised ‘nerdy’ course. I feel positive about the content and that the proposed course can form a solid core at the heart of Computing Departments. I suggest that it needs to be more focused and that the Programming unit should be just that with the addition of more maths (functions, arrays (matrices) & algorithms). Also the Information systems unit should be databases, website development, SQL programming and a smattering of relevant technology. There should be no place for the network, security or hardware aspects that have snuck in from the abandoned Computer Systems units unless directly relevant to the content.
These alterations would focus the suggested course and provide a strong basis for candidates that wish to progress through to CS in FE or HE.
However there are many candidates for whom this course would not be suitable and who would not be progressing onto CS but would require perhaps a more Arts based or general ICT basis. These courses would not have the maths content nor be as heavy with any programming but would better suit the needs of these pupils and may actually grab the largest cohort in Computing Departments.
The main Computing Science course (as I propose it) could continue through to implementation next year and the other courses could follow the year after that.
As it stand the proposed course, without alteration, would suit no-one perfectly and could spell disaster for Computing Departments, with my suggestions it should appeal to the academic hardcore computing enthusiasts that know their future lies in CS in FE/HE but would see a drop in the numbers coming into Computing. We need a more focused course and additional courses to better suit the need of others that can benefit from an alternative experience of Computing.
The draft course arrangements for Nat4/5 have only just been released to us so surely there is still an opportunity to influence their direction?
Richard Scott
PT Computing
I think it’s a fair criticism of the proposed set up. We thought to mitigate with NPA Computer Games but the problem with that is that the school/careers service/parents don’t really understand the value of an NPA in relation to an NQ. Also, it is true that there would be no generic ICT type course. I think though, these days, it would be hard to argue that there is a need for ICT lessons at level 4/5/6 – unless this is seen in the same way as literacy (being a core skill and all!)…
Thanks for the comments Peter. But there have not been many comments.
Maybe people think…
I wish people would make their feelings known. I could quietly get on with preparing for the impending courses then, in the knowledge that I have been making a fuss over nothing!
Hi Richard,
it’s a shame that you weren’t able to make last Sundays CAS Scotland open meeting as we did discuss issues relating to the current National Qualifications. With the timescales involved we really need to concentrate on making sure there isn’t a catastrophic collapse in Computing by focusing on the quality of what we will be teaching and working to change public perception’s of Computing in the short term.
The biggest single issue is that we’re currently not seen as a core part of every pupils educational entitlement instead of an optional extra and part of that reason is that school leaders, the public, and government officials at all levels have only a vague understanding of what Computing Science is.
The discussion will be posted to the CAS Scotland private group along with details of specific actions we will be organising over the next 6 to 9 months. As a group of teachers on their own we can be ignored but one of the strengths of Computing at School’s is that it has strong links with the BCS, industry and further and higher education. We will be using these links as much as possible and hopefully helping to crack the wall of indifference that Education Scotland and SQA have shown towards our subject area.
Peter
CAS Scotland
I think there is a lot of merit in Richard’s views of having more, not less courses in Computing. We currently offer Higher Information Systems and Higher Computing as well as Int 2 Information Systems and Computing. We find that pupils want to choose our subject and where pupils don’t want to do programming we have an alternative in Information Systems. There is the risk that our numbers might fall in the future.
We currently have 1 period (60 minutes) for half a year in S1 and 1 period for a full year in S2. Subject choice is at the end of S2. We can’t complete all the Technologies outcomes. We have made significant changes to our S1/2 courses and feel that they are certainly more appealing than they were. We can only complete the C for E course as far as the outcomes are concerned if pupils choose to take computing in S3/4. I know of other schools that make there subject choices at the end of S1. Is the completion of C for E outcomes optional? What time allocation do other schools get to complete the Technology outcomes? Do other schools follow the S1/2/3 and S4/5/6 model or S1/2, S3/4, S5/6 model?
Harry Perston
Principal Teacher
TheJamesYoungHigh School
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